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A Petition to Rmove Bob Barr

richiep said:
If you really believe that you are not mentally stable and there is no way to have a reasonable conversation with you about politics.
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Why? Are you not able to keep your head?

Barr and his campaign has gone to great lengths over the last week to alienate his base. Great lengths. If the Libertarian Party cannot come up with direction from within, why should it not come from without?
 
richiep said:
If you really believe that you are not mentally stable and there is no way to have a reasonable conversation with you about politics.
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I really do believe that. I assume what you are inferring is that anyone who believes something different about Bob Barr than you, is unstable. If that is the case then I agree, there is no way I can have a reasonable conversation with you about poltics.

Just for the sake of curiousity, how do you see Bob Barr? What is it about the man's record that you like?
 
nothing like spending valuable time trying to remove people from their right to run for office huh, if that ain't liberty then you can kiss my ass lol.

wow this is sad, her is a thought DON'T VOTE FOR PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE.
 
People set up these petitions to remove Bob Barr not as a means to destroy the LP, but rather to restore it and expand it.
 
It's not like Barr is going to win.

Recent polls show Nader in the lead for 3rd (or 2nd) party candidates.
I'm not voting Democrat or Republican, I've been a Libertarian in principle but I think I'll vote Nader because he has more momentum over Barr.

This is about getting a viable 3rd party candidate out there in the debates (which won't happen this election) to shake up the establishment.
 
Charles Wilson said:
I really do believe that. I assume what you are inferring is that anyone who believes something different about Bob Barr than you, is unstable. If that is the case then I agree, there is no way I can have a reasonable conversation with you about poltics.

Just for the sake of curiousity, how do you see Bob Barr? What is it about the man's record that you like?
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I'll engage with you on the hope that you are just illinformed and not unstable. You said voting for him is the same as voting for McSame, so that's the measure I'm using, not one that you just don't personally like him.

Barr's record, even when he was in office as a Republican was far better than McSame's. So even if he never moved towards bing more for liberty, he would be better the McSame. But the people that bash him (I would say calling him a neo-con falls into that catagory) completely dismiss his move towards liberty. The reason is everything from, its not real, to its a trap, to even its a CIA conspiracy, any number of things. Is Barr as libertarian as me? No. Was I always as libertarian as I am now? No To many of us it is a journey to get here, and there is also no agreement on where 'here" is exactly.

After Barr left office, he started to work with the ACLU before he joined the LP. I guess he must have been trying to destroy them too, he must be a busy guy. His reason on why he voted for the PATRIOT Act have been well documented and discussed to no end, and its also well documented that even though there was a reason to do it, he regrets it. How much work can he do on repealing it would he have to do to make up for that move? Would there ever be enough for you?

On the drug issue,he was not just some middle f the road person on this issue. He was a hard liner against drugs. Its easy to win over the middle of the roaders but to win a hardliner like him over, I still can't believe how he's willing to admit he's wrong considering how against it he used to be. Somehow I suspect guys like you are far less willing to admit that you were wrong, about him for example. No, its easier to stay lockied in one thought pattern. That's why things don't change, becuase people DON'T like to admit they are wrong!!

So instead of embrassing him and calling him a good guy for opening his eyes to the damage that the war on drugs has caused, guys like you want to beat him up for once believing it in. You beat him up more then the guys who STILL want to continue with this war on people. "Yeah but he's a neo-con"

Its sickens me and it saddens me to see people act this way. This movement will never grow when you eat your own young, that is, the people who are moving towards where we are.
 
richiep said:
So instead of embrassing him and calling him a good guy for opening his eyes to the damage that the war on drugs has caused, guys like you want to beat him up for once believing it in. You beat him up more then the guys who STILL want to continue with this war on people. "Yeah but he's a neo-con"

Its sickens me and it saddens me to see people act this way. This movement will never grow when you eat your own young, that is, the people who are moving towards where we are.
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Thank you for showing us enough respect to try to persuade, rather than flaming and running.

Bob Barr isn't just converting. He's claiming he has converted sincerely and thoroughly enough to represent our views to Washington--and in the White House to boot. This requires more than the usual vetting. Surely you will admit that.

Otherwise, I agree with you on most points. And so long as you continue to engage us like people, I will be very glad you've joined us in these forums.
 
acptulsa said:
Thank you for showing us enough respect to try to persuade, rather than flaming and running.

Bob Barr isn't just converting. He's claiming he has converted sincerely and thoroughly enough to represent our views to Washington--and in the White House to boot. This requires more than the usual vetting. Surely you will admit that.

Otherwise, I agree with you on most points. And so long as you continue to engage us like people, I will be very glad you've joined us in these forums.
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That's what I would like to do. I'm came on here with a bit of an attitude as I've seen far too much of what you describe on other sites, such as the dalypaul. To me that site is unreadable for this very reason. To the degree I bashed others on here I apologize.

We do need to understand that if we were all to agree 100% of the time there would be no reason to have message boards, all we would need is a forum to post news stories, being we would all agree, we would never need to discuss them. That being said, we also need to keep in mind where we do agree.

On a related note, here in PA, we decided to stop the craziness of this divide and get busy, on a grassroots level, to promote the idea of voting for a third party. To do that we have to stop with all this silliness. There has been a lot done to divide us over Apologize past few weeks, we all need to start getting back on the same page on our common issues. Maybe one way would be for the people on this site to stop with the removed Barr stuff. Barr is not going to be removed, and if you don't like him, fine, vote for Nader of Baldwin.

McSame and Obomba, those are are enemies.
 
richiep said:
I'll engage with you on the hope that you are just illinformed and not unstable. You said voting for him is the same as voting for McSame, so that's the measure I'm using, not one that you just don't personally like him.

Barr's record, even when he was in office as a Republican was far better than McSame's. So even if he never moved towards bing more for liberty, he would be better the McSame. But the people that bash him (I would say calling him a neo-con falls into that catagory) completely dismiss his move towards liberty. The reason is everything from, its not real, to its a trap, to even its a CIA conspiracy, any number of things. Is Barr as libertarian as me? No. Was I always as libertarian as I am now? No To many of us it is a journey to get here, and there is also no agreement on where 'here" is exactly.

After Barr left office, he started to work with the ACLU before he joined the LP. I guess he must have been trying to destroy them too, he must be a busy guy. His reason on why he voted for the PATRIOT Act have been well documented and discussed to no end, and its also well documented that even though there was a reason to do it, he regrets it. How much work can he do on repealing it would he have to do to make up for that move? Would there ever be enough for you?

On the drug issue,he was not just some middle f the road person on this issue. He was a hard liner against drugs. Its easy to win over the middle of the roaders but to win a hardliner like him over, I still can't believe how he's willing to admit he's wrong considering how against it he used to be. Somehow I suspect guys like you are far less willing to admit that you were wrong, about him for example. No, its easier to stay lockied in one thought pattern. That's why things don't change, becuase people DON'T like to admit they are wrong!!

So instead of embrassing him and calling him a good guy for opening his eyes to the damage that the war on drugs has caused, guys like you want to beat him up for once believing it in. You beat him up more then the guys who STILL want to continue with this war on people. "Yeah but he's a neo-con"

Its sickens me and it saddens me to see people act this way. This movement will never grow when you eat your own young, that is, the people who are moving towards where we are.
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Thanks for responding. I agree with your statement where you wrote "Barr's record, even when he was in office as a Republican was far better than McSame's." So true. My point is both McCain and Barr are all over place with no coherent voting record. They both fit the maverick mold whereas you never know what position they will take on an issue from one day to the next. Bob Barr and McCain both voted for the Iraq War Resolution.

Bob Barr: "During his tenure, Barr was regarded as one of the most conservative members of Congress.[30] In 2002, he was described as "the idol of the gun-toting, abortion-fighting, IRS-hating hard right wing of American politics".[25] However, Barr's criticism of the Bush administration's policies on privacy and other civil liberties after the 9/11 attacks was unusual among House Republicans (see Criticism of Bush Administration below).[25] This criticism earned Barr other labels such as "maverick,"[25] "Jekyll-and-Hyde,"[31] and "libertarian."[27]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr#Waco_Hearings.

John McCain: "McCain developed a reputation for independence, during the 1990s.[92] He took pride in battling establishment forces, was willing to challenge party leadership, and became hard to categorize politically.[92]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
 
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