RFK Jr's running mate lays out two options: Continue or join with Trump to stop Harris

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1825927559177015636

[PAF]

My thoughts? I already said it in the other thread:

So, republicans will be grateful and not learn a thing, as long as they "win", giving passes to Trump on the things they would fight against under Harris.

Other than abortion which I do agree with, I don't like his domestic social policies anyway. I just thought people would care enough about Captured Agencies and Such to maybe give a listen.

I will be pulling weeds extra, extra hard.

[Anti Federalist]

My thoughts? I already said it in the other thread:

If the man running for president that you fully supported, is perhaps considering dropping his campaign and joining with Trump to prevent a Marxist "win", don't you think for maybe just a second that your position is wrong, and the serious damage that will result is worth re-considering your position?

[PAF]

If the man running for president that you fully supported, is perhaps considering dropping his campaign and joining with Trump to prevent a Marxist "win", don't you think for maybe just a second that your position is wrong, and the serious damage that will result is worth re-considering your position?

You're wrong and confused. I never "fully supported" him and I don't want him, kamala or TrumpyDump to "win".

I merely used some of his rightful statements concerning Captive Agencies and Such to appeal to folks I run into and who drop by my Liberty Group Meetings. Once I get their attention, I immediately start talking about Mises.org. Because they seem easier to reach because they are disgusted with Trump/Harris. They at least know something is seriously wrong, so I try to promote actual solutions, not government ones.

But you don't get that, because, well, I don't know why. Just for that, wings are on you, not me.

[CaptUSA]

You're wrong and confused. I never "fully supported" him and I don't want him, kamala or TrumpyDump to "win".

Well, as long as you understand that you're not going to get what you want... One of them will "win?" Or at least be selected. And they will have an administration that WILL impact your life and the lives of your children.

Personally, I'd like to see some serious comeuppance for what they've done, but I know that's not going to happen. So if we can throw a monkey wrench into their grand designs, I'll take it.

[PAF]

Well, as long as you understand that you're not going to get what you want... One of them will "win?" Or at least be selected. And they will have an administration that WILL impact your life and the lives of your children.

Personally, I'd like to see some serious comeuppance for what they've done, but I know that's not going to happen. So if we can throw a monkey wrench into their grand designs, I'll take it.

Every 'republican" administration I have lost more rights... Off the gold standard, "Patriot" Act, TSA, PREP Act, $8+T, etc. and now it will be militarized leo and "Stop and Frisk" with Immunity.

If you're serious about what you say, "republicans" will fight back against Harris and not let those things happen as easily as they would under Trump who they will once again give easy passes to. See: 2016-2020 for reference.

I'll let you guys figure it out, I'll have more important things to do that day.

[69360]

If Kennedy endorses Trump, I will vote for Trump. I was on the fence about it over what I see as forces within the government trying to kill Trump. I also think that Harris is completely incompotent to be president. An endorsement would push me over the edge and I reluctantly vote for Trump.

[fisharmor]

If the man running for president that you fully supported, is perhaps considering dropping his campaign and joining with Trump to prevent a Marxist "win", don't you think for maybe just a second that your position is wrong, and the serious damage that will result is worth re-considering your position?

I don't fully support RFK. I am just voting for him.
I'm voting for him because he's the only adult in the room.
I'm voting for him because he's the only one who is actually analyzing issues and trying to come up with legitimate solutions, not just can-kicking.
I'm voting for him because he's being labeled a conspiracy theorist, and I'm about eight light years beyond done with that $#@!. I'm voting for the conspiracy theories getting sunlight.
I'm voting for him because there is one and only one person on Earth who I believe would officially look into what actually happened to JFK and then tell us about it. I'm voting for him because he comes across as someone I could trust to message that to the country and then give everyone a plan for how to deal with it that doesn't replicate the French Revolution.

I'm voting for him because he's the first person in 12 years running for anything I can vote for where I'm actually voting FOR something.

If he tucks tail in fright over a Harris administration, then I'll go back to my default: not voting.
I was never going to vote for Trump anyway. If RFK does this then the only person who has lost anything is me.

Also, I'm not afraid of a Harris administration. It just brings us one step closer to what needs to happen.

[CaptUSA]

If you're serious about what you say, "republicans" will fight back against Harris and not let those things happen as easily as they would under Trump who they will once again give easy passes to. See: 2016-2020 for reference.

Here's the differentiation I see. You're talking about new legislation, but I see more issues with the unelected bureaucrats leveraging existing legislation to transform the country in their image. The things these department heads are doing is just insane. And 2017 through 2019 were actually pretty tame on that front in my recollection. 2020 was a complete and total joke. At least there is a possibility, however small, that Trump learned who he could trust. This possibility doesn't exist with whatever puppet the DNC decides to put up there.

[CaptUSA]

Also, I'm not afraid of a Harris administration. It just brings us one step closer to what needs to happen.

I have kids and grandkids. I owe it to them to say I at least tried to prevent the damage we're doing to them.

[oyarde]

I have kids and grandkids. I owe it to them to say I at least tried to prevent the damage we're doing to them.

I told my kids Ive done what I could ( and of course Danke didnt do anything) and from here it is up to them but if they want different results it is going to have to be different than what Ive tried. Otherewise expect more of the same but worse.

[fisharmor]

I told my kids Ive done what I could ( and of course Danke didnt do anything) and from here it is up to them but if they want different results it is going to have to be different than what Ive tried. Otherewise expect more of the same but worse.

Sargon made a good point about this a few months ago.
Gen X has a lot in common with Gen Z in that we both followed up ridiculous and quite obviously wrong generations.
He attributes Gen X's lack of action to laziness... but I don't agree. I think the fact that we were young adults during the objectively greatest decade to be alive (the 1990s) lulled us into a sense that things were going to be ok.
Now that we know better, we have an entire generation that has had enough of it's previous generation's $#@! just like we did, who are probably ready to listen.

[Cleaner44]

I would love to see RFK as the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services.

HHS is over the FDA and CDC.

Trump should offer RFK the job and set him loose to tear it apart!

[jmdrake]

If the man running for president that you fully supported, is perhaps considering dropping his campaign and joining with Trump to prevent a Marxist "win", don't you think for maybe just a second that your position is wrong, and the serious damage that will result is worth re-considering your position?

Does Trump WANT to win? Seriously does he? Jesus asked the man stuck at the pool of Bethesda if he wanted to be healed. Seemed like a dumb question but Jesus asked it. This election is Trump's to lose and he keeps getting headlines for goofy stuff like claiming he's "better looking" that Kamala Harris. JD Vance isn't much better trying to draw a Kamala Harris / Jeffery Epstein comparsion which is silly cosidering that Trump was Epstein's friend.

What's SAD is there are real things Trump could and should be talking about. Take Biden's speech the other day at the DNC where he tried to take credit for the drop in crime since 2020. Crime was ALREADY dropping under Trump and didn't spike UNTIL 2020 and the spikes were due to the lockdowns, which the democrats pushed, and the breakdown in policing due to the mass protests. Oh the left will deny this, but in Minnesota a police station was burned to the ground and in Seattle police abandoned a police station.



So...that's an easy 30 second spot. Hell, even I could make it. Is Trump even going to catch this? I doubt it. Delving into crime statistics doesn't have a nice "zing" to it.

[TheCount]

I have kids and grandkids. I owe it to them to say I at least tried to prevent the damage we're doing to them.

By voting for someone who wants to use the military as federal police

[69360]

By voting for someone who wants to use the military as federal police

The opposing party wants to use the military overseas. Is that ok?

[CaptUSA]

By voting for someone who wants to use the military as federal police

[PAF]

The opposing party wants to use the military overseas. Is that ok?

RFK Jr. wants NEITHER. That's not ok?

[69360]

RFK Jr. wants NEITHER. That's not ok?

I like RFK jr. RFK jr is not going to be president, so it really doesn't matter.

[PAF]

I like RFK jr. RFK jr is not going to be president, so it really doesn't matter.

You don't need advice from me, but whether it's "voting", or anything else, liberty comes from within and doesn't require following a pack. Do what you believe, support what you believe, and when the next person does that, maybe things can finally change.

MSM won't report it, but I ran some numbers and if enough people do vote for him, he actually does have a shot. The reason for all of the games is that both parties know that and are concerned. Fear is what makes people lose, the same way that panic causes death.

[69360]

You don't need advice from me, but whether it's "voting", or anything else, liberty comes from within and doesn't require following a pack. Do what you believe, support what you believe, and when the next person does that, maybe things can finally change.

MSM won't report it, but I ran some numbers and if enough people do vote for him, he actually does have a shot. The reason for all of the games is that both parties know that and are concerned. Fear is what makes people lose, the same way that panic causes death.

Not a chance in hell. He had some decent momentum early in his independent run, but it's gone away. He is also out of money.

[Anti Federalist]

Also, I'm not afraid of a Harris administration. It just brings us one step closer to what needs to happen.

I used to think that, but I no longer do.

The collapse of the US and with it, western civilization, will plunge the world into war, and economic disaster the likes of which have never before been seen.

We will literally fall into another dark age that mankind may never recover from.

[69360]

I used to think that, but I no longer do.

The collapse of the US and with it, western civilization, will plunge the world into war, and economic disaster never before seen.

We will literally fall into another dark age that mankind may never recover from.

I wouldn't go that far myself. But I will say that Harris is utterly incompotent to lead the country. I can't even imagine her dealing with Putin, Jinping or Kim. She just doesn't have the gravitas for it. I fear what could happen.

[Anti Federalist]

I wouldn't go that far myself. But I will say that Harris is utterly incompotent to lead the country. I can't even imagine her dealing with Putin, Jinping or Kim. She just doesn't have the gravitas for it. I fear what could happen.

I wonder how much innovation will take place under a Harris adminstration?

Seizing patents and innovations from private citizens and companies is a hallmark of first stage Marxist takeover.

Copyright was invented by and for early capitalism, and its importance to that system has grown ever since. To oppose copyright is to oppose capitalism. Thus, Marxism is a natural starting point when challenging copyright.

https://x.com/i/status/1826053972525986193

[PAF]

Not a chance in hell. He had some decent momentum early in his independent run, but it's gone away. He is also out of money.

If he is on the ballot in most [if not all] states, and you have the option to vote for him, the best chance this country has to stay the same is to vote Republican or Democrat. I myself would not want to do a thing to upset that either [/sarc], we have been operating that way for many, many decades. The smell of the 2-party system is so refreshing [/sarc]. Why rock the boat when you can follow the pack.

I'm just being silly now, ignore all of this lol.

[Voluntarist]

I wonder how much innovation will take place under a Harris adminstration?

Seizing patents and innovations from private citizens and companies is a hallmark of first stage Marxist takeover.

Copyright was invented by and for early capitalism, and its importance to that system has grown ever since. To oppose copyright is to oppose capitalism. Thus, Marxism is a natural starting point when challenging copyright.

I'll give Harris's full quote below. In the particular instance that Harris was referring to (drug innovation), it wasn't private innovation she was talking about. The real Marxism started with government investing in the development of the drugs for which patents were issued to private companies. So yeah, I pragmatically agree with what you're saying about patents to protect private innovation (with some idealistic reservations), what I don't want to see is government, itself, becoming the banker for that private innovation - because it ceases to be private innovation once government sticks its heavy hand into the marketplace. I mean, once government becomes one of the "Shark Tank" sharks (for the good of the people ... rolls eyes) it can pretty much set the terms of its participation.

Where are my reservations, you ask? Patents require government force to be enforceable. Plus, they can actually restrict innovation that improves upon the patented concept. Then you also get into the "right to repair" issues. But idealistically, if an innovation is really private property (which the patent protects), then why doesn't it remain private property in perpetuity; why does the patent protection run out after X years? In actuality, the patent is an acknowledgement that the state owns the innovation (the product of an innovator's mind) and is permitting the private innovator to profit from it for as long as the state deems appropriate. Pragmatically, since government exists, the patent system is probably the best we can hope for.

My plan as a candidate for president on the issue of drug prices is as follows: We are going to set drug prices based on fair market. So, essentially what we're going to do, and, you know, visit the website if you will, and if not, I can get you some documents. But, essentially what we're going to do is set drug prices so that American consumers are charged a price for drugs that is the average price that's being charged around the globe. [applause] And you're gonna… and there's a huge difference, insulin being an example.

The other thing is this. If people don't want to cooperate with that, I'm also going to do the next thing, which is this. A lot of drugs, prescription medication, was born out of federal funding for the research and development of that drug. Your taxpayer dollars. So, for any drug where they failed to play by our rules, and if that drug came about because of federal funding for what's called R&D, research and development, I will snatch their patent, so that we will take over. Yes, we can do that. Yes. Yes, we can do that. Yes, we can do that. The question is, do you have the will to do it? I have the will to do it.

[Swordsmyth]

If the man running for president that you fully supported, is perhaps considering dropping his campaign and joining with Trump to prevent a Marxist "win", don't you think for maybe just a second that your position is wrong, and the serious damage that will result is worth re-considering your position?

His position is the same as the DNC and the Never Trumper RINOs, it is defined by stopping Trump.

[Swordsmyth]

I used to think that, but I no longer do.

The collapse of the US and with it, western civilization, will plunge the world into war, and economic disaster the likes of which have never before been seen.

We will literally fall into another dark age that mankind may never recover from.

And the communists will conquer the nation using their imported hordes if they get to kick things off on their terms and with their timing.

[acptulsa]

His position is the same as the DNC and the Never Trumper RINOs, it is defined by stopping Trump.

More insulting lies from the Broken Record Bot.

[nobody's_hero]

Lines are being drawn.