Same "undecided" voter in Luntz group again

[colecrowe]

Originally Posted by rfbz youtube of the guy back to back i just put up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

In September, at 3:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Today at 1:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI

SEND IT TO THE MEDIA AND THE CAMPAIGN:


aricart Both of these debates took place in New Hampshire hum? Could this have anything to do with it?


EvilEngineer No, they didn't. One is from the Florida debate a few months ago, the other is from Jan 6th Forum.

I think Both debates were in New Hampshire! There was a repub debate in Durham, NH on Sept 5th http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_presidential_debates,_2008


Originally Posted by Jodi heck out the guy at 3:38, I think he's in both too.


yes!!! he is!

who and at what times in both vids? thanks

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[hillertexas]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=79365
http://roobaroo.net/Images/Fox_Focus_Group.jpg

[Bilgefisher]

This proof needs to get out.

[louisiana4liberty]

Agreed...get this out immediately. Before the NH vote.

[aricart]

Isn't this the guy that called Ron Paul a "nut job"? I think the REAL media ought to see this. TELL EVERYONE!

[Seanmc30]

Somebody please find a way to get this on DIGG!!!!

[paulgeek]

Send this over to Olberman at MSNBC. As much as I can't stand the guy, his hatred of Fox News will ensure that this gets out.

[FreedomGirl]

Isn't this the guy that called Ron Paul a "nut job"? I think the REAL media ought to see this. TELL EVERYONE!

When did he call him a nut job? I watched both clips and I didn't hear that.

[Chauncy]

nt

[kutibah]

Omg!!! Send It To Cnn And Msnbc!!! They Would Expose Them!!!

[prlgrl]

How about Leno for tomorrow night????

[UtahApocalypse]

Seriously CNN and MSNBC should see this, if only because they're competitors and its in their interest to expose Fox for the sham it is.

I remember a similar incident a few months ago with CNN. FOX made a huge deal out of it and it became international press. I am sure CNN would love to return the favor.

[Bilgefisher]

Are there anymore repeats like this guy??? Btw whomever found this. I was in your hometown I'd buy you a damn 12 pack for this. Well done.

[Dexter_Roseville]

http://digg.com/political_opinion/WOAH_Definitive_proof_that_Frank_Luntz_and_FOX_are _frauds

Link thanks to Maimiist

[angrydragon]

Looks like both were from Fox's program/debate/forum in NH.

[aricart]

When did he call him a nut job? I watched both clips and I didn't hear that.

There was a guy in a post-debate focus group of Frank's that called Paul "certifiably insane".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l3FC_c0Xfqo

Not the same guy above, but was this guy there tonight?

[matthylland]

I have just emailed CNN, and NBC...

[Ron2Win]

This Digg worthy.

[acroso]

This is Drudge report material!

[louisiana4liberty]

blimp... this needs to be sent out on myspace and facebook ASAP

There is no denying that is the same actor.

[NYgs23]

This really has to get out. This is an incredible scandal. Try sending it to local news organizations to. They often pick this stuff up first and then the big media will pick it up. Also CNN and MSNBC. Also send it to the official Ron Paul campaign.

[colecrowe]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form

I've already sent it to these ones, am adding more to this post, flood them


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It seems presidential hopeful John McCain simply cannot lose in the eyes of the media; the worse his performance, the more over-the-top their cheerleading for him becomes. Winning 15 percent of the vote would have been "strong," they told us. When McCain actually finished with 13 percent, we were told it was a "perfect" result for him. Had McCain come in dead last, with only four votes, Fred Barnes would probably have told us McCain was inaugurated three days ago and has already declared war on Iran. Perhaps the Iowa caucus results weren't really "perfect" for McCain -- but the media's coverage of him certainly has been. http://mediamatters.org/

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[E. Nordstrom]

http://www.ronpaulunplugged.com

It's on!

[Jodi]

Check out the guy at 3:38, I think he's in both too.

[NJNSB]

F U Frank


(that was my first official one...felt good)

[Seanmc30]

Send this over to Olberman at MSNBC. As much as I can't stand the guy, his hatred of Fox News will ensure that this gets out.

GREAT IDEA......Olberman would be foaming at the mouth to get this one on the air.

[robertwerden]

I emailed this to the Associated Press apconcord@ap.org

[matthylland]

Check out the guy at 3:38, I think he's in both too.

checking this out now....

[govtpigII]

Check out the guy at 3:38, I think he's in both too.

Jodi it will be even better if we can find multiple "randomly picked" panelist! Lets look over every video out, even from years back...lets expose the SOB!

FU FRANK!

[Victrix]

Good find. I hope it gets out

[matthylland]

GREAT IDEA......Olberman would be foaming at the mouth to get this one on the air.

sent! (but other should obviously send too!)

[aricart]

I'm looking through videos of focus groups now, trying to find more . . .

[reverse]

go go go go go

[werdd]

how stupid do they think we are????

[aricart]

bump, this is really important stuff

[weagle]

OMG This is a media bomb moment. Proof.

[govtpigII]

bump, this is really important stuff

Yes it is, great job to

Dexter_Roseville

Thats the man to thank!

[matthylland]

Check out the guy at 3:38, I think he's in both too.

yes!!! he is!

[louisiana4liberty]

how stupid do they think we are????

Americans are pretty fckin stupid. RP supporters the exception.

[colecrowe]

GREAT IDEA......Olberman would be foaming at the mouth to get this one on the air.

KOlbermann@msnbc.com

[colecrowe]

yes!!! he is!

What time in BOTH vids?

Send both to the media. One can be a fluke, but this will do it.

Remember how huge the CNN plants ended being?

[NYgs23]

I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD POST THIS AT FREEREPUBLIC.COM

Yes, I know we all hate Free Republic and they hate us, but their guy, Fred Thompson was SAVAGED by the Luntz actors in the last segment. They're also known for how they exposed Dan Rather and the CBS documents. They've also been angry at Fox lately for censoring Ron Paul (even though they hate him) and Duncan Hunter (who they like) out of the debate.

Could someone with an account their post this on freerepublic.com?????

[louisiana4liberty]

KOlbermann@msnbc.com

Olberman's gonna have a shit fit!!!!

[Pauls' Revere]

Anyone who knows how, send it to every media outlet they can think of.

[aricart]

Both of these debates took place in New Hampshire hum? Could this have anything to do with it?

[weagle]

We need to look at every person that speaks and cross reference theme with every fox luntz moment.

[EvilEngineer]

Both of these debates took place in New Hampshire hum? Could this have anything to do with it?

No, they didn't. One is from the Florida debate a few months ago, the other is from Jan 6th Forum.

[colecrowe]

Originally Posted by Jodi heck out the guy at 3:38, I think he's in both too.


yes!!! he is!

who and at what times in both vids? thanks

[weagle]

Also if these are paid actors they might be willing to confess. NH groups need to find this guy.

[wowabunga]

Are there anymore repeats like this guy??? Btw whomever found this. I was in your hometown I'd buy you a damn 12 pack for this. Well done.

Yep... I'll bring some burgers...!

[paulitics]

I'm not a Huckabee fan, but it has been quite apparant that FOX has a huge bias AGAINST Huckabee. This is very much scripted. And please don't be hypocritical, and say he deserves it because he's an asshat, blah blah. We hate it when they do it to us. The point is, they should not be scripting any of this, and proclaiming that it is a gathering of "undecideds".

[paulgeek]

Do you think drudge would pick up on this? The side-by-side photos would look great at the top of his page.

[NYgs23]

I'm telling you, someone should send this to FreeRepublic.com

[govtpigII]

someone said there may be a plant in this one 2 don't know what or who they mean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wu1i6GooQY

[jbrace]

Can we get a list of contacts to send this to?

[colecrowe]

Do you think drudge would pick up on this? The side-by-side photos would look great at the top of his page.

done:

www.drudgereport.com down on right side

[colecrowe]

Can we get a list of contacts to send this to?

first post in this thread

[colecrowe]

I'm telling you, someone should send this to FreeRepublic.com

I am not getting the confirmation email to do so

[rfbz]

youtube of the guy back to back i just put up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

[homah]

youtube of the guy back to back i just put up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

this probably deserves a new thread in grassroots or a more well-populated forum. nice work!

edit -- btw, is there any chance you could throw in the side-by-side pic at the end? i'm not sure how tough that would be to do since i don't make vids. thanks.

[colecrowe]

No, they didn't. One is from the Florida debate a few months ago, the other is from Jan 6th Forum.

That is very important. Is this true for sure? Because that is the clincher--and especially if there were two plants. If they were both in NH I could see it happening, but not now...

[NYgs23]

I am not getting the confirmation email to do so


I hope so. I'm trying to, but I was kicked off FreeRepublic a few weeks ago and it's not coming through. I figure the site might recognize my computer (I have a different email now).

Anyone with a dormant account there who could do this?

[ignoranceisntbliss]

Where are those clips of the CNN standin guy? I remember that the 2nd event was down here in St. Pete. The guy asking that damn 'if you dont get the nomination...'.

Build up the case.

Now that both Fox and CNN have been busted anybody have post debate stuff from the other MSNBC etc debates?

[acroso]

I'd send it to free republic if I wasn't banned there...

[paulgeek]

These were both in NH, even in the same restaurant. There was a focus group in Florida, but it was in a differently laid out room.

[govtpigII]

opps repost

[logolepsy]

Make sure someone gets this to Lew.

[Jodi]

What time in BOTH vids?

Send both to the media. One can be a fluke, but this will do it.

Remember how huge the CNN plants ended being?

I really don't care if there is only one. Fox blatantly lies. For this the gloves should be off, down and dirty.

[jbrace]

Fox def lies. I cant believe this.. Ron paul not in the debate now this?! o wait yeah I can it's fox.

[dvictr]

someone cut a youtube of this.. RP revolution style!;)

[Jodi]

That is very important. Is this true for sure? Because that is the clincher--and especially if there were two plants. If they were both in NH I could see it happening, but not now...

They are both at NH.

[wildflower]

I will post this on FR, but I just want to make sure that this guy was not simply an "undecided" who said something positive about McCain last time, and now went to Romney.


(sorry, maybe i'm just misunderstanding this. do we know for sure that he had decided on McCain before, and now claims to be an undecided going to Romney?) :confused:

[Antonius Stone]

get this over to Olbermann, he'll crucify them over this

[dvictr]

GREAT catch...

[dvictr]

if nothing else.. let ruin the career of this asshole

[dvictr]

I will post this on FR, but I just want to make sure that this guy was not simply an "undecided" who said something positive about McCain last time, and now went to Romney.


(sorry, maybe i'm just misunderstanding this. do we know for sure that he had decided on McCain before, and now claims to be an undecided going to Romney?) :confused:


the undecided cousin... lol

[NYgs23]

I will post this on FR, but I just want to make sure that this guy was not simply an "undecided" who said something positive about McCain last time, and now went to Romney.


(sorry, maybe i'm just misunderstanding this. do we know for sure that he had decided on McCain before, and now claims to be an undecided going to Romney?) :confused:

I think you should post it there anyway and let the Court of Public Opinion sort it out. It's certainly fishy and I don't think it would be unethical to bring it to others' attention. Otherwise how can they investigate?

And be sure to include a lot of popular search terms at the bottom like "FredThompson" and "Elections" They're mad at Fox for Luntz's bashing of Thompson.

[ronpaulitician]

[SIZE="4"][B]I will post this on FR, but I just want to make sure that this guy was not simply an "undecided" who said something positive about McCain last time, and now went to Romney.
Doesn't really matter.

They should be able (and wanting) to avoid selecting one and the same individual for multiple focus groups.

[ord33]

It is without a doubt the same guy - what a great find. Both "focus groups" were from New Hampshire. Not to be a spoiler to this great find (because I do think they are rigged) but its not like he is shilling for the same candidate in both. He may actually be an undecided voter. In the first video he commends McCain and in the second he supports Romney. Obviously Luntz phrases the questions in a way to get the response he wants, but I would guess since they already had that same guy in the first focus group and his contact info they probably keep up with their previous people to see if they are still undecided and this guy maybe just so happened to be undecided.

I'm not saying that Luntz is not crooked, but the guy really does seem to be undecided between the two focus groups. You would think they would come up with some new people!

Edit: Sorry guess someone was typing the same thing as me when posting - sorry Wildflower!)

[wildflower]

Ok, you guys. I'll post a thread there.

I'm not sure what to title it though.

[fuzzybekool]

Are there anymore repeats like this guy??? Btw whomever found this. I was in your hometown I'd buy you a damn 12 pack for this. Well done.

Checking youtube videos now lol

[fwaokda]

IDK, i want to believe this more than anyone but there are two holes...

1. Could just be a guy that is undecided and was for mccain and now has swapped to romney.
2. In one video his voice sounds much deeper...

[aricart]

Might be best to find more repeats, preferably from two different states.

[wildflower]

IDK, i want to believe this more than anyone but there are two holes...

1. Could just be a guy that is undecided and was for mccain and now has swapped to romney.
2. In one video his voice sounds much deeper...


That's exactly what I was asking.

Also, if you guys want me to post this on FR, I need a good title.

and I hope I don't get banned for posting this there. They're pretty strict about not posting anything remotely "conspiracy" related. :-/

[NYgs23]

Ok, you guys. I'll post a thread there.

I'm not sure what to title it though.

Something simple and explainatory

"The Same "Undecided Voter" Appears in Two Frank Luntz Focus Groups"

Don't make it appear like spam. No all caps. Be sure to mention how the second focus group bashed Fred Thompson to rile them up.

[Ranger29860]

IDK, i want to believe this more than anyone but there are two holes...

1. Could just be a guy that is undecided and was for mccain and now has swapped to romney.
2. In one video his voice sounds much deeper...

i thought the same thing with the voice but listen to him bout halfway through on the new video his voice drops down to where it was also audio quality is pretty diffrent in t he 2 videos

[wildflower]

Something simple and explainatory

"The Same "Undecided Voter" Appears in Two Frank Luntz Focus Groups"

Don't make it appear like spam. No all caps. Be sure to mention how the second focus group bashed Fred Thompson to rile them up.


Ok, thanks. :)

[RlxdN10sity]

I will say that I think it is definately the same guy. If it is the case though, that both of these debates were held in New Hampshire, I do not think that there is much hell to be raised. Awesome catch though whoever noticed it, good work.

[NYgs23]

That's exactly what I was asking.

Also, if you guys want me to post this on FR, I need a good title.

and I hope I don't get banned for posting this there. They're pretty strict about not posting anything remotely "conspiracy" related. :-/

Tell them it's only your opinion, you're not sure, and that you'd like to hear what they think. Be calm and polite, but "curious". Post screen caps. Just ask the question.

[jbrace]

I'm 100% sure its the same guy. Listen to the voice and the color of the his beard. No doubt. It's a fraud.

[wildflower]

I'm about to post it.

But I have a question - when was the first focus group held, and do we know where?

[jbrace]

Even if he was for mccain then switch to romney the fact is that fox was trying to make the point that mccain won the debate.. and in the latest video they were saying how good romney did. Kinda weird how he flip flopped.

[jbrace]

The first debate was held in NH. I think september 5th?

[RlxdN10sity]

Color of the beard is definately an attribute that I used to solidify my position on it being the same guy. That being said, if both of these debates took place in NH I do not think it will be difficult for FAUX News or FU LUTZ to explain their way out of it.

[jbrace]

The voices have the same charactistics.. Listen to them back to back it's no doubt.

[BreakYourChains]

The guy's name is Chuck from both videos.

[hillertexas]

From HonkeyWill:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/honkywill/fuckusgroup2.jpg

[NYgs23]

I'm about to post it.

But I have a question - when was the first focus group held, and do we know where?

Here's a link to the first one, on YouTube Sept 6. Not sure of the actual debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g&feature=related

Time is 3:44. There's a YouTube already putting them together. I'll try to find it.

[RSLudlum]

The voices have the same charactistics.. Listen to them back to back it's no doubt.

look at the patterned coloring of the beard!

[fuzzybekool]

I'm about to post it.

But I have a question - when was the first focus group held, and do we know where?

Both in New Hampshire.

[NYgs23]

I'm about to post it.

But I have a question - when was the first focus group held, and do we know where?


Here it is, wildflower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

It has the date of each.

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

What is this proof of? That Luntz invited an undecided back twice???

Who gives a shit?

[ord33]

Y'all should take a look at this from the Florida debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC5paDvCdFc

[jbrace]

brought the same guy back twice who gives a shit? The first focus group they were saying how mccain won it.. and the guy is for mccain. The second there saying how romney won and the guy is for romney.. seems kinda biased/ fishy to me. :confused:

[wildflower]

Ok, you all are going to kill me for this... :o

but I don't think I can post this on FR.

Because as some here have said, it can easily be explained that it was just an undecided voter who was used twice.... and hadn't come to his decision until tonight.

Unless we have some video proof that in the previous one he for sure decided on McCain - only to appear in tonights as an "undecided" who went to Romney.

But even then, people do change their minds.

I'm already on thin ice on that site, for being a Paul supporter. If I post something like this, I'll probably get banned... I've been a member there since 99, so I don't want to get banned, because I have been posting about Paul there (and refuting the lies told about him) and someone needs to do that.

sorry if I made anyone mad. :(

[NYgs23]

Ok, you all are going to kill me for this... :o

but I don't think I can post this on FR.

Because as some here have said, it can easily be explained that it was just an undecided voter who was used twice.... and hadn't come to his decision until tonight.

Unless we have some video proof that in the previous one he for sure decided on McCain - only to appear in tonights as an "undecided" who went to Romney.

But even then, people do change their minds.

I'm already on thin ice on that site, for being a Paul supporter. If I post something like this, I'll probably get banned... I've been a member there since 98, so I don't want to get banned, because I have been posting about Paul there (and refuting the lies told about him) and someone needs to do that.

sorry if I made anyone mad. :(

I'm certainly not going to force you to do it, wildflower, or bash you, but I really think it is important to get this out. I'd do it myself, if I hadn't already been banned there. And now it doesn't seem to be letting me create a new account.

You wouldn't even have to mention Ron Paul (in fact I'd advise against it) and FR is already angry with Fox over the Fred Thompson bash and excluding Hunter. Even if what you're saying is true, Luntz should still have explained that. He and Fox made it seem like these were basically random people pulled off the street. People should be made aware of the facts so that they can continue to investigate and decide for themselves.

It's up to you of course, but I'd strongly recommend doing it.

[purepaloma]

The point is that Faux News makes these seem like RANDOM undecided people.........not STAGED actors selected by the news channel and used again later.

This is supposed to be a FOCUS GROUP !!!

[ord33]

Not mad Wildflower. I think you made a good decision.

I think Luntz definitely phrases his questions to get the responses he wants and plays dirty tricks, but attacking this guy who might really be undecided would do us more harm than good. I must say it was an incredible catch though! Plus, its not worth losing your account when you have the potential to sway other people at Free Republic especially since you've been a member since '99.

If someone else wants to pose the question without as long of a history on Free Republic I think that would be ok, just be careful with your wording.

[BeFranklin]

There are a ton of new duplicate people found on the main thread in grassroots central.

[Dave Pedersen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clXj0aDtkzg this guy was in NH both times. So then there is nothing to it s far as I can tell except he liked McCain then and now he likes Romney. So what? It's NH both times.

[ionlyknowy]

If you want to get the word out quick to the media, I have compiled a list of over 5,000 emails to news outlets all over the US

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=68221

Just copy and paste about 50 of them into your email program.

Takes two seconds.

[wildflower]

Thanks NYgs23 and ord33.

I have a friend who's a regular there in good standing... I'll ask him if he wants to post it. I know he's very mad at Fox right now, because they excluded his guy (Hunter).

I'll see if he's still around tonight, and ask him if he'll post it. :)

[NYgs23]

Look, skeptics, all we're saying it that, AT LEAST, Luntz should have made known that he had repeat people in there WHICH HE DID NOT. He and Fox made it seem like these were basically random people picked up on the street. THIS GUY CLEARLY IS NOT. Fox should be made to give an explanation AT LEAST. People should know about this and make up there minds.

[NYgs23]

Thanks NYgs23 and ord33.

I have a friend who's a regular there in good standing... I'll ask him if he wants to post it. I know he's very mad at Fox right now, because they excluded his guy (Hunter).

I'll see if he's still around tonight, and ask him if he'll post it. :)

OK, wildflower. Personally, I don't think it should be that big a deal so long as the post is worded like a curious question: "This seemed a little unusual to me, unless I'm missing something. Has Frank Luntz said he places repeat in his focus group. What do you folks think about this?"

Which poster are you on FR, by the way? I recognize most of big RP people there. I used to be marsh_of_mists....

[barbz]

Maybe some of you guys are more familiar with this Frank Luntz guy... as a matter of fact I'm sure you are. I went to bed earlier watching Link TV and woke up to hear Luntz in a panel discussion on a show called 'There You Go Again: Orwell Comes to America - Deceiving Images' I was shocked... and I think I'll probably have some nightmares now.

This is the synopsis for the show... This panel, "Deceiving Images: The Science of Manipulation" features three experts in the field of communication - George Lakoff, Frank Luntz and Drew Westen - who are joined by moderator Nicholas Lemann, and asks whether the age of propaganda is over or if politicans and pundits are just refining the techniques of manipulation. These panelists from both the left and right reveal their secrets about how politicians manipulate the public.

I wonder if he reveals any tricks, err I mean techniques that we'll recognize. Here's the link if anyone wants to have a look:

http://www.linktv.org/programs/orwell_deceiving

I just thought the timing was mighty interesting.

[FreedomGirl]

Ok, thanks. :)

It's already been mentioned on FreeRepublic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949377/posts?page=37#37

[LibertyRevolution]

I am about to send this email to Keith Olbermann, anyone point out any errors?:
__________________________________________________ ________________________

Fox News Attempts to Control the Outcome of the Republican Presidential Nomination.

Fox News, the “Fair and Balanced” news channel, has decided that the American people do not need to hear Ron Paul’s message of peace, liberty, and prosperity. Fox News did not invite Ron Paul to attend their debate on January 6th, even though Ron Paul raised nearly 20 million dollars this quarter, holds the record at 6.02 million dollars for largest fundraising day in a presidential election, and even finished higher than Rudy Giuliani did in Iowa. Now it appears that Fox News didn’t want to take the risk the members of the focus group being Ron Paul supporters. Last night Fox News hit a new low at their January 6th debate by having Frank Luntz, a focus group organizer with a questionable reputation, randomly pick the same “undecided” voter for their presidential debate focus group for a second time. This “undecided” voter once again decided to support the candidate that Fox News is trying to push to the front of the pack.

“Chuck” the undecided voter who was randomly chosen for both Fox News focus groups.
Side By Side Image:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2174730634_45440aeda5_o.jpg

Video Proof, Back to Back clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

Source Files for the back to back video:

September 5th, Chuck is at Time Index: 3:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g

January 6th, Chuck is at Time Index: 1:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI

Save us Olby Wan, You’re our only hope!

[NYgs23]

It's already been mentioned on FreeRepublic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949377/posts?page=37#37

Thanks for bringing that to our attention. There should still be a whole post on it.

[shane2]

I am about to send this email to Keith Olbermann, anyone point out any errors?:
__________________________________________________ ________________________

Fox News Attempts to Control the Outcome of the Republican Presidential Nomination.

Fox News, the “Fair and Balanced” news channel, has decided that the American people do not need to hear Ron Paul’s message of peace, liberty, and prosperity. Fox News did not invite Ron Paul to attend their debate on January 6th, even though Ron Paul raised nearly 20 million dollars this quarter, holds the record at 6.02 million dollars for largest fundraising day in a presidential election, and even finished higher than Rudy Giuliani did in Iowa. Now it appears that Fox News didn’t want to take the risk the members of the focus group being Ron Paul supporters. Last night Fox News hit a new low at their January 6th debate by having Frank Luntz, a focus group organizer with a questionable reputation, randomly pick the same “undecided” voter for their presidential debate focus group for a second time. This “undecided” voter once again decided to support the candidate that Fox News is trying to push to the front of the pack.

“Chuck” the undecided voter who was randomly chosen for both Fox News focus groups.

Side By Side Image:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2174730634_45440aeda5_o.jpg

Video Proof, Back to Back clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

Source Files for the back to back video:

September 5th, Chuck is at Time Index: 3:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVg...eature=related

January 6th, Chuck is at Time Index: 1:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI

Save us Olby Wan, You’re our only hope! You need to lead with the new expose news about the Fox undecided voter, otherwise you risk it not being read through when they assume it's just another of the hundreds emails they've already gotten about Fox not letting Paul into Forum.

- Shane

[FreedomGirl]

Thanks for bringing that to our attention. There should still be a whole post on it.

It doesn't need a whole thread. Plus, chances are that the thread would be deleted. You've got a post over there now that refers to the plant. Go respond to that post. Flag any other FR poster you know. Add a post with the digg link (it's somewhere up thread here) and the youtube link.

The groundwork is there. Use it.

[CurtisLow]

The chick that is sitting next to franks boy looks like a plant also. Can anyone match her?

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2746/aaqr0.jpg

[NYgs23]

I am about to send this email to Keith Olbermann, anyone point out any errors?:
__________________________________________________ ________________________

Fox News Attempts to Control the Outcome of the Republican Presidential Nomination.

Fox News, the “Fair and Balanced” news channel, has decided that the American people do not need to hear Ron Paul’s message of peace, liberty, and prosperity. Fox News did not invite Ron Paul to attend their debate on January 6th, even though Ron Paul raised nearly 20 million dollars this quarter, holds the record at 6.02 million dollars for largest fundraising day in a presidential election, and even finished higher than Rudy Giuliani did in Iowa. Now it appears that Fox News didn’t want to take the risk the members of the focus group being Ron Paul supporters. Last night Fox News hit a new low at their January 6th debate by having Frank Luntz, a focus group organizer with a questionable reputation, randomly pick the same “undecided” voter for their presidential debate focus group for a second time. This “undecided” voter once again decided to support the candidate that Fox News is trying to push to the front of the pack.

“Chuck” the undecided voter who was randomly chosen for both Fox News focus groups.

Side By Side Image:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2174730634_45440aeda5_o.jpg

Video Proof, Back to Back clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

Source Files for the back to back video:

September 5th, Chuck is at Time Index: 3:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g

January 6th, Chuck is at Time Index: 1:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenB1s2rKDI

Save us Olby Wan, You’re our only hope!

Liberty, if you're sending this to Olberman I really, really REALLY don't think you should mention Ron Paul. He probably has all e-mails with the phrase "Ron Paul" in them sent to his spam folder. He avoids ever mentioning him. Just make it about Fox's and Luntz's "right-wing" antics and shenanigans. That's what Olberman likes.

[NYgs23]

It doesn't need a whole thread. Plus, chances are that the thread would be deleted. You've got a post over there now that refers to the plant. Go respond to that post. Flag any other FR poster you know. Add a post with the digg link (it's somewhere up thread here) and the youtube link.

The groundwork is there. Use it.

I can't do jack squat over there--I've been banned. Otherwise, I'd already have started a thread. I don't think it would be banned so long as RP is not mentioned (and there's not reason he should be) and it's phrased like a curious query. Remember, that Luntz's latest fake focus group was bashing FR's boy Thompson all over the room and surely FR FredHeads know it. Also most Freepers do appear to be actually annoyed by Fox banning Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter (who they like). Even most of those who don't like RP are saying he shouldn't be censored by Fox.

We have to push this into the MSM and forums like FR and DailyKos are good ways to do it.

[LibertyRevolution]

yeah i was feeling like it may have been a bad idea..thats why i posted it here first. into the trash it goes. thanks for your input.

[voteronpaul08]

Here

http://digg.com/political_opinion/VIDEO_Fox_News_and_Frank_Luntz_Caught_Red_Handed_F ocus_Grou

and here:

http://reddit.com/info/64qsw/comments/

This video will DESTROY Frank Luntz!!

Thanks to all those who pointed this out!!!

[Pharoah]

Luntz' whole bag of tricks is shaping opinion to get the result his paymasters want. That "undecided" voter is on the payroll - you can bet on that.